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(And if you think about it, the real Doug Judy has your same skillsets!). We need to be better, culturally, at helping people understand what careers would fit. The types remind me of opposing solo counsel we went up against a lot. Performance review phrases examples for quality of work to write a performance evaluation and complete your performance review form for free. I think people in a business they suck at are actually marginal people at best given their ability to harm others! Having worked with someone like this – either you got it or you don’t. I’m really good at reading interrogatively, but I hit a limit when I’m proofing an index. I myself am struggling with a business partner who delivers VERY POOR QUALITY work, and have tried all of your suggestions. In fact, I suspect that you can’t. That these are not “just details”. Nice or not, but if she can‘t work under that amount of pressure, she simply can‘t. And while I don’t know if it’s innate or not, IME it’s really tough to train somebody who genuinely struggles with this. The critical part is this: “And missing what the evidence really says is might not just be about attention to detail. I am going to say this because I see a lot of armchair diagnosing, and I always see armchair diagnosing here. That’s a 72 mile drive! I mean, by all means suggest they give this a chance, but I’m not sure this type of error is the kind that checklists catch well. There might be any number of medical conditions that cause the problems. I am an attorney and have recently been promoted to the point where I am supervising junior attorneys’ work. Make sure that misspelt words haven’t been “added” to the dictionary (it is amazing how many people do this). That is true, but a) all law students get to work at top firms and b) some law students end up as junior attorneys at big firms and realize they hate it and leave after 6 months-1 year (this has happened actually pretty often with some of my classmates) and that isn’t a long enough time to have paid off all their loans. It also doesn’t sound like the OP has enough information to make any intelligent suggestions beyond “please talk to your doctor about possible medical or neurological reasons for the the problem.”. honestly, I can’t think of anyone in ANY field that I’d want to recommend Jessie to. You’re managing staff. Whether or not OP has threatened her job sufficiently emphatically, how can this person possibly fail to realize how unacceptable her performance is? I put multiple systems in place (and more hours) to ensure all externally facing stuff is accurate, ESPECIALLY stuff that affects colleagues. A lot of news outlets took the press materials at face value, and were rightly eviscerated for it. Given the scope of the problem, it’s actually not likely that medication would just resolve the problem by itself, and not quickly either. Her argument, which unfortunately won the day but not the war, was that attorney negligence should be excused if it prejudices a client and cited to a different reinstated appeal when, surprise, she had been negligent and was excused. It is VERY VERY under-diagnosed in extremely intelligent and high-performing women who have learned to compensate in school but who often hit a wall in the professional world. Maybe there are ADHD-like symptoms. If she’s a burden on you and your firm, and is making serious errors with consequences, and other employees have to spend time correcting her many mistakes, I question whether you should spend any further time on training, checklists, etc. If it is just newness, it can be trained out of her, if OP is willing to be blunt and stop tiptoeing around the seriousness of the issue(s). The assumption would be that OP volunteers to eat his hours to offer this excessive training. They key to this whole situation is for Jessie to REALLY, TRULY *GET* the issue. She would cheerfully say she’s done all these things and her documents would still be a mess. (Not to say that a checklist is never useful, but it’s not foolproof). I mean, yes, there are small suggestions you could make that might help around the edges, but the problem is big enough that I don’t think that’ll fix it. She fundamentally is unable to do the job correctly. I can’t say for sure if this is what was going on in her head, but it appeared to me as her manager that the fundamentals of the job never clicked for her. Agreed. Check through document that party A is correctly identified using this note. This is a fundamental comprehension / critical thinking problem. Except a number of (very well regarded) law schools no longer require the LSAT, and more are looking to make the switch to more general exams. I get that we all inherently want Jessie to improve and that the possibility of there being a medical excuse/solution sounds better than the reality that she just sucks at her job, but either way, OP is not in the right position to be suggesting diagnoses. Court deadlines can come up fast, and just getting a document written, approved by the client and partner, and formatted per court rules/specifications is often challenging. I usually also have solutions or alternate options as well, but people often just remember that you harshed their vibe. I thought, nobody has home renovations done then–it’s the start of deer season. Instead of being straight with her, our director has given her projects to others on our team. Out of the couple dozen kids that did go, one person fainted at the sight of blood. You have both assumed that since he struggles to follow instructions while writing tests in school he shouldn’t try to be an architect. It seems like this one was more about statutory/legal interpretation rather than missing a crucial detail. It sounds like she’s considered a pleasant person to work with, at least. A slip here and there in a detail of an employee's project or piece of work may not hold up productivity, but repeated problems of inattentiveness lowers quantity and quality of a company's product or service. She actually worked here while she was in uni, so there’s no external references. Paying Attention to Detail Doesn’t Mean Aiming for Perfection. I’m a supervising attorney these days and this would not fly in my office. OP is Jessie’s supervisor. My concern is that she IS checking. This is a lack of critical thinking problem. I have a hard time with the concept of learning accommodations during college. One of my college friends is a neurosurgeon who wants to be quit and become a car salesman. OP, if Jessie is already getting treatment for her thyroid and it’s not working, encourage her to do her own research. However, if you’re fundamentally a bad fit, now and forever, that’s another issue. Mathematics is a subject that requires a lot of attention to detail (after all, if you get one number wrong the whole answer ends up being wrong) and are a great way to improve your attention to detail. I agree that this sounds like a comprehension issue. Years ago when I was a baby librarian, I had the misfortune to end up working with a nursing student, who to put it kindly, should never ever have been allowed to be near patients. Also, “problem employee” would have to eat her time on the corrections. A good paralegal or legal secretary can help with most of those problems, but if she doesn’t understand the evidence she shouldn’t being doing the job. Yes, they happen (I once managed to draft a 100-page document about a contested will and in every single instance where I should have used “the testator” I wrote “the accused” and didn’t catch the mistake untill the third revision; in my defence, the two words are a lot more similar in my native language than in English). You can suggest she try reading things out loud, which helps some people prevent mistakes. What do I do now? Particularly in people who are highly intelligent. (And we probably shouldn’t be doing it either.). Does Jessie know who to go to for help? This is a good point. In the past, I’ve had trouble with trying to pay attention to ALL THE DETAILS AT ONCE. I use checklists religiously, and I also use highlighting of changes I’ve input as a form of checklist, and I have to really lean on my people that you do NOT check off the item (or highlight the writing) until AFTER you have done the task, and AFTER you have checked that you input it right. I also have little patience for rigid gatekeeping- so often it has little to do with the reality of life and work after the program ends. That’s the crappiest thing about business I’ve ever dealt with in my career. My husband and I recently bought a new car and they guy filling out the paperwork kept getting my husband’s name wrong. It may be that this attorney was a K-JD who never faced a real hurdle where they had to create their own solution. Like the equivalent of saying “this case is about puppies” when it is really about teakettles. It sounds like she’s breezing over her stuff instead of actually double-checking. It takes more repetitions than I feel is reasonable, but he is catching on to some of his errors of interpretation. I had a colleague whose detail problems *were* related to health things, but they weren’t unmanaged health things, so they weren’t going to get medically fixed; fortunately, his role was able to transform into more big picture areas where his problems weren’t an issue. *Offer to review her resume and cover letter Same. The only real solution is micromanagement, which I absolutely hate doing. I wish I could report that it worked exceptionally well, but it did not. And no high-level professional uses a checklist in a “life or death situation.” They use their experience and intuition. I have several friends who left the profession after paying off their educational debt, and they have never been happier. Re: “don’t be impressed unless they went to one of the top schools,” I disagree. OP, you need to reframe this in your own mind and then communicate this clearly. Taking the client’s word for what their evidence says? Really nice person, but just no head for detail whatsoever. I am definitely going to take Alison’s advice and speak to her seriously about it when I’m back from my trip. You can train someone who has natural instincts how to check the mechanical stuff that they might not think of, like widows and orphans, and of course you can train someone how to mark up proofs, but I’ve never successfully coached even otherwise super-smart, detail-oriented, colleagues in publishing into being competent proofreaders if they don’t *see* that way with some sort of native ability. I live in New York State and I’ve never heard of a vocational evaluation being mandatory for financial aid– it’s definitely not an automatic thing in every state. Law just may not be the right field for her. It sounds like she’s gotten through law school; possibly a bar exam? It’s quite likely that if they did this, their suggestion could be wrong. Some people really do think that checklists are for ~dumb~ people doing ~menial~ jobs, though. Like you, I am high-functioning and was successful in my field before my diagnosis, but some things in my personal life changed, and it got a lot harder to function. I’ve caught things before that the attorneys missed, but it’s not everything they do. I can’t tell you what those treatments are because this isn’t my field, but I do know that the field exists. I’ve done that work before, and it’s fairly mindless. At most it might be useful to say something like “If you haven’t talked to your doctor to see if there’s a medical issue and explored treatment options, you might want to do that also” – but maybe not quite that way because you don’t want to imply that if she’s going to her doctor, that will save her job. But if they swear to these dates, have they considered the implications for child support? Document specific examples of how and when the employee exhibited inappropriate behavior. And even if the checklist had items like : “check client’s names against witness list” or “check status of evidence against client claims”, those are the things she would check off as completed, because she *is* double-checking these things, but she’d still be getting it wrong. It’s been brought up several years in a row during my performance reviews. boss told me I need to wear makeup and jewelry, employee has terrible attitude, and more, weekend open thread – November 28-29, 2020, being put on a performance plan right after a glowing review, photos on resumes, and more, the Christmas tantrum, the dirty elf, and other tales of holidays at work, Thanksgiving free-for-all – November 26, 2020. how do I talk about my work when my work is depressing? In a heavily used airport, adding 10 minutes to each plane takeoff would have major effects. For the other errors? Her responses were all about how she didn’t see how it was all that important, the Judge we were in front of wasn’t picky, and the case analysis mistakes she made were because she didn’t have enough guidance. I’m surprised this hasn’t been brought up – what’s her workload like? (& Other questions that lawyers know and I do not!). This seems like stuff she should have learned in college/law school. Like, just full-on non-grammatical non-idiomatic speeh on the reg. This reminded me of that program that was advertised a lot a few years back? A court can issue discovery sanctions if you submit exhibits that falsely/inaccurately represent your argument. This. If she can’t work to a basic competency level, she should not be practicing law. It really sucks when that happens when someone is trying hard — and especially when they’re a lovely person and you genuinely like them — but it does sometimes happen. She’s done the same or similar with all kinds of projects over the years. Describe a time when you were confused by a client's request. Sometime error shaming works. I imagine the surgeon’s checklist has things like cauterize all bleeders and count the sponges (actually, the surg tech probably does that, but you get the picture), but there is no checklist for remove the appendix. How did she make it through law school? He had to work for his dad while trying to break and the whole point of his schooling was to never have to work there, he didn’t want that torch. The mistake-prone supervisee my boss stuck me with (and won’t let me discipline in any way but a scold) is the laziest person I have ever supervised. Reading it in a print format and marking up makes you pay attention to detail. Yup. I was never happy in positions that required detailed work because it was a daily internal struggle. When her mistakes creates more work for you, make her take part in that work. I’ve had people try to automatically jump into full cycle bookkeeping who needed to be pulled to just AP or AR for awhile to understand the process. However, I also work in a field where typically a typo or two isn’t the end of the world. (I’ve encountered lawyers who pulled all-nighters, especially when big cases/deadlines were coming up). You take a leave of absence, sure. Yes, I’ve been coming back to this off and on all day, and I keep thinking about what an ethical issue this is. Definitely agree. But I don’t think the OP can even raise those possibilities with Jessie. I think it is important that you also ask whether your colleague has been tested for ADHD, because that can manifest itself as these symptoms (lack of attention to detail, inability to concentrate on a topic or think through critical issues even when trying to focus). Jessie might have ADHD. I can empathize because I frequently am in yours AND Jessie’s position. proofreading is a skill that not everyone can develop well — especially with their own work. I’m an attorney, and this used to be me! Even law-adjacent jobs – I do environmental regulatory compliance work, and shining details is so very not a thing in this role. I prefer it because then I can tell myself that all of those will have been corrected by the time they print…whereas if I read a finished book rife with errors, I just want to throw it across the room and/or go find the production editor/copy editor/proofreader and tell them a thing or two. I agree with Alison — have you made sure that she understands just how serious this is? Finalize on the computer, print a hard copy and review for needed changes, make changes on the computer, then review another hard copy – repeat until it is 100% perfect. Miss-spelling, incorrect numbers, transposed numbers or dates are one thing. That one, too! I’ve had stellar students turn out to be difficult workers. “you can’t get a good LSAT without a high IQ”. Some people don’t have great attention to detail! They might not always be as amicable as they are now.”. I don’t know if Jessie’s problem is her newness or something more. The employee may agree, disagree, express contrition, and so forth. Yes! I’m looking for a new field and this endless stream of short term research sounds ideal for me. What I mean is that you check things off item by item so you can see where you are up to. My (junior) coworker makes exactly the same sorts of mistakes, down to the two types – typos or seemingly careless errors in work product – and errors in comprehension. She CAN learn reading comprehension strategies, she CAN make lists of what to look for or do to make sure she doesn’t miss anything…there’s a lot of strategies one can learn and employ to make sure all the details are attended to, but if there aren’t any serious consequences, then she won’t take change seriously. There is something about the cognitive load of interrogating at the same time as decoding that is just beyond some people, no matter how many checklists they employ or re-reads they do. She simply couldn’t see that she herself was the common thread uniting the mistakes, and without that insight, she couldn’t get to the critical understanding that the only thing she could do to make fewer mistakes was to change her behavior. Oh I thought of one. Our boss laughs it off too… except she’s now also assigned me to sign off on everything, to catch and fix these errors. If she’s ok with actual issues of law, perhaps there are non-litigant areas she can go into. 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